Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac) GSE
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01.09.09 11:23
#701
Lakri
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wenn da was springt dann erst immer ab spät nachmittag, der Kurs wird in der USA gemacht.
01.09.09 16:49
#702
MaxMusterman
buuuuhuhu
warum fällt das ding denn stark wieder ? liegt das an den verkäufen oder einfach daran das die aktie ein unglaubliches plus in den letzten tagen/wochen erziehlt halt
01.09.09 19:26
#703
Stehauf
MaxMustermann
Zur Info...nur den Gesamtmarkt heute anschauen und das sagt alles.
02.09.09 09:16
#704
Rico11
Industry Group
Industry Group Unveils Proposal To Overhaul US Mortgage Market
By Jessica Holzer, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- A key industry group is proposing to replace Fannie Mae (FRE) and Freddie Mac (FRE) with a handful of small, shareholder-owned companies, subject to strict supervision and limits on their profits and activities.
The proposal, set to be released by the Mortgage Bankers Association Wednesday, comes as officials are grappling with how to reshape the government's role in ensuring the widespread availability of mortgage credit in the U.S.
Last fall's federal takeover of Fannie and Freddie amid the housing market storm illustrated the pitfalls of relying on two private companies with a public mission and lucrative ties to the government. Yet shifting away from that longstanding model is a complex task, requiring tough negotiations among various stakeholders and a plan for handling billions of bad assets at Fannie and Freddie.
The Mortgage Bankers have discussed their proposal with officials from Treasury, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the companies' regulator, as well as with members of the White House economic team. MBA officials also detailed the proposal for Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and Fed Vice Chairman Donald Kohn Tuesday. On Wednesday they will meet with other industry organizations.
Debate about the future of Fannie and Freddie will likely intensify in the coming months. The Obama administration plans to unveil a proposal when it releases its 2011 budget in February. Meanwhile, House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., is preparing legislation.
The mortgage behemoths were thrown into the conservatorship of their regulator after mounting mortgage defaults ate through their cushions of capital. Critics of the companies say they were able to accumulate excessive risks because investors believed - ultimately correctly - that the government would bail them out. Since it seized the companies nearly a year ago, the government has pumped nearly $100 billion into them to keep them afloat.
The Mortgage Bankers' proposal envisions a handful of government-chartered companies devoted to purchasing home mortgages from lenders and repackaging them into securities for investors. The companies, dubbed mortgage credit-guarantor entities, or MCGEs, would provide guarantees for investors against default of the underlying loans in the securities.
A government agency would then provide an explicit government guarantee of the timely payment of principal and interest on the mortgage securities as protection against some catastrophic event. The guarantee would be backed by a new insurance fund amassed through premium payments by the MCGEs. Surpluses from the fund could provide a source of funding for affordable housing, the Mortgage Bankers said.
The system of supports wouldn't bolster the entire $11 trillion U.S. mortgage market, only those "core" products deemed by the MCGE regulator as necessary for a vibrant U.S. mortgage market, according to the proposal.
Mortgage Bankers Vice Chairman Michael Berman argued the model would greatly decrease the risk of a future taxpayer bailout. The MCGEs would be fashioned after public utilities, subject to stringent capital standards and limits on their activities and their return on equity. They would also be barred from holding more than limited portfolios of mortgage-backed securities, eliminating a risky source of profits that helped to cause Fannie's and Freddie's undoing.
The companies' stock will be a "conservative investment" with low, steady returns that "will not attract the same kind of investor" that bought Fannie and Freddie stock, Berman predicted.
He also noted the government will have the power to charter new MCGEs in order to ensure none grows too big to fail. At least two to three should be chartered at the outset, Berman said, with the number growing to potentially six to ten over time.
Jim Vogel, a mortgage market analyst at FTN Financial, warned the model could run into trouble during a housing downturn. Without the implicit or explicit backing of the U.S. government or the flexibility to engage in other businesses, the MCGEs might have trouble maintaining their capital base if investors grow jittery about the housing market. As a result, mortgage credit could dry up just as the housing market comes under stress, Vogel argued.
National Housing Conference President Conrad Egan, who was briefed by the Mortgage Bankers on their proposal, argued the model could decrease the risk of a sharp housing downturn. The strict supervision of the MCGEs would foster tighter mortgage underwriting standards, he said.
A spokeswoman for the Treasury Department declined to comment on the proposal.
-Jessica Holzer, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-9228; jessica.holzer@ dowjones.com
(END) Dow Jones Newswires
09-02-090016ET
Copyright (c) 2009 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
By Jessica Holzer, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- A key industry group is proposing to replace Fannie Mae (FRE) and Freddie Mac (FRE) with a handful of small, shareholder-owned companies, subject to strict supervision and limits on their profits and activities.
The proposal, set to be released by the Mortgage Bankers Association Wednesday, comes as officials are grappling with how to reshape the government's role in ensuring the widespread availability of mortgage credit in the U.S.
Last fall's federal takeover of Fannie and Freddie amid the housing market storm illustrated the pitfalls of relying on two private companies with a public mission and lucrative ties to the government. Yet shifting away from that longstanding model is a complex task, requiring tough negotiations among various stakeholders and a plan for handling billions of bad assets at Fannie and Freddie.
The Mortgage Bankers have discussed their proposal with officials from Treasury, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the companies' regulator, as well as with members of the White House economic team. MBA officials also detailed the proposal for Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and Fed Vice Chairman Donald Kohn Tuesday. On Wednesday they will meet with other industry organizations.
Debate about the future of Fannie and Freddie will likely intensify in the coming months. The Obama administration plans to unveil a proposal when it releases its 2011 budget in February. Meanwhile, House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., is preparing legislation.
The mortgage behemoths were thrown into the conservatorship of their regulator after mounting mortgage defaults ate through their cushions of capital. Critics of the companies say they were able to accumulate excessive risks because investors believed - ultimately correctly - that the government would bail them out. Since it seized the companies nearly a year ago, the government has pumped nearly $100 billion into them to keep them afloat.
The Mortgage Bankers' proposal envisions a handful of government-chartered companies devoted to purchasing home mortgages from lenders and repackaging them into securities for investors. The companies, dubbed mortgage credit-guarantor entities, or MCGEs, would provide guarantees for investors against default of the underlying loans in the securities.
A government agency would then provide an explicit government guarantee of the timely payment of principal and interest on the mortgage securities as protection against some catastrophic event. The guarantee would be backed by a new insurance fund amassed through premium payments by the MCGEs. Surpluses from the fund could provide a source of funding for affordable housing, the Mortgage Bankers said.
The system of supports wouldn't bolster the entire $11 trillion U.S. mortgage market, only those "core" products deemed by the MCGE regulator as necessary for a vibrant U.S. mortgage market, according to the proposal.
Mortgage Bankers Vice Chairman Michael Berman argued the model would greatly decrease the risk of a future taxpayer bailout. The MCGEs would be fashioned after public utilities, subject to stringent capital standards and limits on their activities and their return on equity. They would also be barred from holding more than limited portfolios of mortgage-backed securities, eliminating a risky source of profits that helped to cause Fannie's and Freddie's undoing.
The companies' stock will be a "conservative investment" with low, steady returns that "will not attract the same kind of investor" that bought Fannie and Freddie stock, Berman predicted.
He also noted the government will have the power to charter new MCGEs in order to ensure none grows too big to fail. At least two to three should be chartered at the outset, Berman said, with the number growing to potentially six to ten over time.
Jim Vogel, a mortgage market analyst at FTN Financial, warned the model could run into trouble during a housing downturn. Without the implicit or explicit backing of the U.S. government or the flexibility to engage in other businesses, the MCGEs might have trouble maintaining their capital base if investors grow jittery about the housing market. As a result, mortgage credit could dry up just as the housing market comes under stress, Vogel argued.
National Housing Conference President Conrad Egan, who was briefed by the Mortgage Bankers on their proposal, argued the model could decrease the risk of a sharp housing downturn. The strict supervision of the MCGEs would foster tighter mortgage underwriting standards, he said.
A spokeswoman for the Treasury Department declined to comment on the proposal.
-Jessica Holzer, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-9228; jessica.holzer@ dowjones.com
(END) Dow Jones Newswires
09-02-090016ET
Copyright (c) 2009 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
02.09.09 09:24
#705
Rico11
Extra Credit
EXTRA CREDIT: Borrowers Tiptoe Back Into Exotic Mortgages
By Andrew Edwards, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- Borrowers are starting to tiptoe back into more exotic mortgages.
A flood of bad press and a collapsing housing market scared borrowers away earlier in the year, but the latest data show that may be reversing. Borrowers are beginning to show interest in mortgages that combine elements of fixed-rate and adjustable-rate mortgages known as hybrid ARMs.
Hybrid ARMs offer a fixed interest rate for a set term - usually five years - and then "reset," after which the interest rate is tied to a market-based floating rate and adjusted every six months to a year.
At current rates, loans can shave as much as 1 percentage point off a borrower's interest rate for years, potentially saving thousands of dollars.
Those savings appear to have eliminated some of the stigma that was attached to these non-conventional mortgages. According to Barclays Capital, some 10% of mortgage applications for the week ended Aug. 21 were for adjustable rate mortgages, up from a nadir of less 2.2% for week ended Dec. 26, 2008.
Adjustable rate mortgages have come under scrutiny since the collapse of the U.S. housing market because they can be attractive to shakier borrowers who want a lower payment, but who can't afford a house in the long run when the rates reset.
"I didn't sell [hybrid ARMs] to many people because a lot of them aren't savvy enough to deal with it. I didn't want to be responsible for someone getting underwater or getting put out of their home," said independent mortgage broker Daniel Bell of Richmond, Va.
However, for more financially sophisticated borrowers, these mortgages can be a sensible option.
Bell himself has a hybrid ARM mortgage. "It worked fine for me because my interest rate [now] is 4.5%."
As recently as early May, few were interested in hybrid ARMs. Rates had come down on fixed-rate 30-year mortgages so sharply that getting a hybrid ARM was actually more expensive, even in the short term.
Now that has reversed. Freddie Mac's (FRE) most recent survey shows hybrid ARMs with five years before the first reset are offered at 4.67%, while fixed- rate mortgages are at 5.14%.
The rates would be even more attractive at the lenders which specialize in the hybrid ARM business, said Art Frank, head of mortgage research at Deutsche Bank. The difference can be as much as a whole percentage point, pushing the ARM rate even closer to 4%.
Issuance of bonds backed by hybrid ARMs by government-sponsored mortgage giants Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac has jumped as well, hitting $4 billion in July.
In August, $2.9 billion were issued, according to Barclays, and 80% were new loans. That's well below the $19 billion or $20 billion a month that were issued in the boom years, but much more than earlier this year.
Barclays analysts Derek Chen, Nicholas Strand and Wei-Ang Lee said they expect issuance to rise to $5 billion to $6 billion a month in the near future.
Investor appetite for the new hybrid ARM-backed securities has been high, thanks to their relatively high yield.
According to ARM trader Jesse Litvak of Jefferies & Co., the bonds are trading at 105 or 106 cents on the dollar - more than their principle value - and demand hasn't slackened.
The only hold-up seems to be the borrower - who is still a little shy.
(Andrew Edwards covers mortgages and distressed debt for Dow Jones Newswires and can be reached 212-416-2228 or andrew.edwards@dowjones.com.)
(TALK BACK: We invite readers to send us comments on this or other financial news topics. Please email us at TalkbackAmericas@dowjones.com. Readers should include their full names, work or home addresses and telephone numbers for verification purposes. We reserve the right to edit and publish your comments along with your name; we reserve the right not to publish reader comments.)
(END) Dow Jones Newswires
09-01-091608ET
Copyright (c) 2009 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
By Andrew Edwards, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- Borrowers are starting to tiptoe back into more exotic mortgages.
A flood of bad press and a collapsing housing market scared borrowers away earlier in the year, but the latest data show that may be reversing. Borrowers are beginning to show interest in mortgages that combine elements of fixed-rate and adjustable-rate mortgages known as hybrid ARMs.
Hybrid ARMs offer a fixed interest rate for a set term - usually five years - and then "reset," after which the interest rate is tied to a market-based floating rate and adjusted every six months to a year.
At current rates, loans can shave as much as 1 percentage point off a borrower's interest rate for years, potentially saving thousands of dollars.
Those savings appear to have eliminated some of the stigma that was attached to these non-conventional mortgages. According to Barclays Capital, some 10% of mortgage applications for the week ended Aug. 21 were for adjustable rate mortgages, up from a nadir of less 2.2% for week ended Dec. 26, 2008.
Adjustable rate mortgages have come under scrutiny since the collapse of the U.S. housing market because they can be attractive to shakier borrowers who want a lower payment, but who can't afford a house in the long run when the rates reset.
"I didn't sell [hybrid ARMs] to many people because a lot of them aren't savvy enough to deal with it. I didn't want to be responsible for someone getting underwater or getting put out of their home," said independent mortgage broker Daniel Bell of Richmond, Va.
However, for more financially sophisticated borrowers, these mortgages can be a sensible option.
Bell himself has a hybrid ARM mortgage. "It worked fine for me because my interest rate [now] is 4.5%."
As recently as early May, few were interested in hybrid ARMs. Rates had come down on fixed-rate 30-year mortgages so sharply that getting a hybrid ARM was actually more expensive, even in the short term.
Now that has reversed. Freddie Mac's (FRE) most recent survey shows hybrid ARMs with five years before the first reset are offered at 4.67%, while fixed- rate mortgages are at 5.14%.
The rates would be even more attractive at the lenders which specialize in the hybrid ARM business, said Art Frank, head of mortgage research at Deutsche Bank. The difference can be as much as a whole percentage point, pushing the ARM rate even closer to 4%.
Issuance of bonds backed by hybrid ARMs by government-sponsored mortgage giants Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac has jumped as well, hitting $4 billion in July.
In August, $2.9 billion were issued, according to Barclays, and 80% were new loans. That's well below the $19 billion or $20 billion a month that were issued in the boom years, but much more than earlier this year.
Barclays analysts Derek Chen, Nicholas Strand and Wei-Ang Lee said they expect issuance to rise to $5 billion to $6 billion a month in the near future.
Investor appetite for the new hybrid ARM-backed securities has been high, thanks to their relatively high yield.
According to ARM trader Jesse Litvak of Jefferies & Co., the bonds are trading at 105 or 106 cents on the dollar - more than their principle value - and demand hasn't slackened.
The only hold-up seems to be the borrower - who is still a little shy.
(Andrew Edwards covers mortgages and distressed debt for Dow Jones Newswires and can be reached 212-416-2228 or andrew.edwards@dowjones.com.)
(TALK BACK: We invite readers to send us comments on this or other financial news topics. Please email us at TalkbackAmericas@dowjones.com. Readers should include their full names, work or home addresses and telephone numbers for verification purposes. We reserve the right to edit and publish your comments along with your name; we reserve the right not to publish reader comments.)
(END) Dow Jones Newswires
09-01-091608ET
Copyright (c) 2009 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
02.09.09 10:04
#706
tiger68
Max Mustermann
ich persönlich setzte bei Freddie keine stop loss order, da die Kursausschläge sehr groß sein können. Muß ich halt aus dem Bauch entscheiden, ob ich verkaufe, oder dabei bleibe.
Viele Grüße :-)
02.09.09 10:51
#707
Rico11
Fed to Start Buying
Fed to Start Buying Most Recently Issued Agency Debt
By Jody Shenn
Sept. 1 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve will begin buying the most recently issued agency debt under its plan to purchase as much as $200 billion of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Federal Home Loan Bank corporate bonds.
“This change represents a technical adjustment designed to mitigate market dislocations and to promote overall market functioning,” the New York Fed said in a statement posted on its Web site today.
The program was expanded today from off-the-run securities, or debt from one of the government-chartered companies that isn’t part of the most recent issue in a specific maturity, according to the “frequently asked questions” document.
The update to the FAQ didn’t suggest any changes to the size or timing of the program, which is scheduled to run through year end. The central bank has bought $118.6 billion of the notes so far, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Under a related program, the Fed has purchased $792 billion of mortgage-backed securities guaranteed by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac or Ginnie Mae.
The difference between yields on on-the-run five-year Fannie Mae debt and five-year Treasuries narrowed 0.03 percentage point to 0.32 percentage point as of 12:30 p.m. in New York, according to Bloomberg data. The spread is down from a record 1.59 percentage point last November.
The announcement eased concern in the market for debt from the government-sponsored enterprises that the Fed’s program would “expire quietly” without reaching its full amount or end-date, Jim Vogel, head of agency-debt research at FTN Financial in Memphis, Tennessee, wrote in a note to clients.
“Without extending buybacks to newly issued mega-bullets, the Fed was running out of GSE paper to buy without further distorting the already twisted short-agency curve,” Vogel said, referring to the largest-sized, fixed-rate issues of government-sponsored enterprises and yields on debt with approaching maturities.
To contact the reporter on this story: Jody Shenn in New York at jshenn@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: September 1, 2009 12:55 EDT
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...mp;tkr=FRE%3AUS&sid=a0Wv8V6kZtmE
By Jody Shenn
Sept. 1 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve will begin buying the most recently issued agency debt under its plan to purchase as much as $200 billion of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Federal Home Loan Bank corporate bonds.
“This change represents a technical adjustment designed to mitigate market dislocations and to promote overall market functioning,” the New York Fed said in a statement posted on its Web site today.
The program was expanded today from off-the-run securities, or debt from one of the government-chartered companies that isn’t part of the most recent issue in a specific maturity, according to the “frequently asked questions” document.
The update to the FAQ didn’t suggest any changes to the size or timing of the program, which is scheduled to run through year end. The central bank has bought $118.6 billion of the notes so far, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Under a related program, the Fed has purchased $792 billion of mortgage-backed securities guaranteed by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac or Ginnie Mae.
The difference between yields on on-the-run five-year Fannie Mae debt and five-year Treasuries narrowed 0.03 percentage point to 0.32 percentage point as of 12:30 p.m. in New York, according to Bloomberg data. The spread is down from a record 1.59 percentage point last November.
The announcement eased concern in the market for debt from the government-sponsored enterprises that the Fed’s program would “expire quietly” without reaching its full amount or end-date, Jim Vogel, head of agency-debt research at FTN Financial in Memphis, Tennessee, wrote in a note to clients.
“Without extending buybacks to newly issued mega-bullets, the Fed was running out of GSE paper to buy without further distorting the already twisted short-agency curve,” Vogel said, referring to the largest-sized, fixed-rate issues of government-sponsored enterprises and yields on debt with approaching maturities.
To contact the reporter on this story: Jody Shenn in New York at jshenn@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: September 1, 2009 12:55 EDT
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...mp;tkr=FRE%3AUS&sid=a0Wv8V6kZtmE
02.09.09 11:11
#708
tiger68
Rico 11
Danke für die Links. Wie bewertest Du die Artikel? Eher positiv oder eher negativ auf den Kurs von Freddie
Viele Grüße
:-)
02.09.09 11:49
#709
rusco111
also.....
man möchte eigentlich denken, dass Freddie bei einer massiven Kaufinfo auch massiv steigen wird. Warum Europa das gegenteil macht ......????? keine Ahnung
02.09.09 12:50
#711
nothin_
Der Gesamtmarkt ...
... ist in Korrekturstimmung im Moment - davon loslösen werden wir uns nicht können - das ist wohl reine Wunschvorstellung. Solange der Dow im Minus schließt, werden auch Freddie und Konsorten im Minus schließen mM.
Passt mir zwar auch ned - ist aber so ... ;) Investiert bleibe ich aber nach wie vor - es weiß zwar keiner wann die Korrektur an den Weltbörsen beendet ist, aber danach sollte es wieder steil bergauf gehen. :)
Passt mir zwar auch ned - ist aber so ... ;) Investiert bleibe ich aber nach wie vor - es weiß zwar keiner wann die Korrektur an den Weltbörsen beendet ist, aber danach sollte es wieder steil bergauf gehen. :)
02.09.09 13:01
#712
Ja Sager
Aufspaltung von Fannie/Freddie?
Auszug aus: http://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/...on-Fannie-Freddie-article486434.html
Der Verband der US-Hypothekenbanken hat sich laut einem Medienbericht für eine Aufspaltung der staatlich kontrollierten US-Hypothekenfinanzierer Freddie Mac und Fannie Mae ausgesprochen. Diese sollten in mehrere Unternehmen in Privatbesitz umgeformt werden, berichtete das "Wall Street Journal". Die neuen Firmen könnten dann hypothekarisch gesicherte Wertpapiere mit Staatsgarantie anbieten
--
Falls das wirklich so kommt, dürfte es für unsere Scheinchen eher schlecht aussehen.
02.09.09 13:21
#713
MaxMusterman
ich muss jetzt ... doch mal eine
... fragestellen für die mich die erfahrenernen trade sicher schlagen werden aber ich berufe mich einfachauf mein "Anfängerstatus"
Also: z.Z. liegen die Aktie bei den Deutschen Parketbörsen bei ~ 1,2x € an der XETRA bei 1,50 €. Dieser wert stammt von gestern ~ 13.30 Uhr und hat sich seit dem nicht mehr geändert.
z.Z. habe ich ein SL bei 1,35 € gesetzt für den Verkauf der Aktien an der XETRA.
Meine Fragen:
- Kann ich nicht meine Aktien an der XETRA für den Aktuellen wert von 1,50 € pro Aktie verkaufen und dann wenn ich will in Frankfurt oder so für 1,2x (sofern dieser wert bleibt) wieder einkaufen ? Wenn dem so ist wieso macht das nicht jeder so ?
- Gibt es überhaupt käufer die an der XETRA kaufen obwohl sie woanders die Dinger günstiger bekommen ? (Wäre doch dumm)
- Wenn der Wert an der XETRA unter die 1,35 fällt wird durch mein SL verkauft (sofern es käufer gibt)
- Wieso ist der Unterschied zwischen den Parketbörsen und der XETRA so extrem zur Zeit und wieso ist der letzte aktuelle Kurs der XETRA von gestern Mittag ? Hat das damit zu tun das keiner mehr dort kauft/handelt weil der Preis höher als an den Parketbörsenist ?
Ich danke schonmal im vorraus für eure Antworten und hoffe ich werde nicht erschlagen ;) Denn mir sind die Dinge nicht so klar und hoffe Leute die Ahnung habenkönnen mir helfen.
Danke
Gruß MaxMusterman
02.09.09 14:53
#714
h0h0
also bei mir steht Xetra-Kurs
bei 1,34!
Nein du kannst im normalfall nich bei Xetra verkaufen für 1,50 und dann in Frankfurt z.B. für 1,20 wieder rein,ausser es ist einer da der sie kauft :-) was nicht vorkommen wird,hab diese dinge als ich angefangen habe auch getestet aber deine Order wird einfach nicht ausgeführt.
Also ich sehe keinen grossen Unterschied zurzeit,ich richt mich halt immer danach dass ich meine aktie auf dem Parkett kaufe wo am meisten los ist.
p.s. Xetra ist normalerweise billiger als parkett :)
Nein du kannst im normalfall nich bei Xetra verkaufen für 1,50 und dann in Frankfurt z.B. für 1,20 wieder rein,ausser es ist einer da der sie kauft :-) was nicht vorkommen wird,hab diese dinge als ich angefangen habe auch getestet aber deine Order wird einfach nicht ausgeführt.
Also ich sehe keinen grossen Unterschied zurzeit,ich richt mich halt immer danach dass ich meine aktie auf dem Parkett kaufe wo am meisten los ist.
p.s. Xetra ist normalerweise billiger als parkett :)
02.09.09 15:44
#715
Loki3
Ausschlaggebend
für den Preis sind die Käufer und Verkäufer und was diese bereit sind zu zahlen.
Wenn du eine Aktie hast die am fallen ist, so wie FM und du hast in Frankfurt einen Kurs zu 1,2 € dann wirst du auch in Xetra keinen (kaum) besseren Preis dafür bekommen. Dass sich der Preis in Xetra nicht ändert kann daran liegen, dass zu wenig Handelsvolumen da ist und keine Käufer und Verkäufer zueinander finden. Deshalb kann es zum Problem werden wenn man große Pakete an wenig gehandelten Aktien kauft.
Wenn wie in deinem Fall auf Xetra sehr wenig gehandelt wird (was ich nicht überprüft habe!!!) kann es passieren, dass den SL zu dem erst besten Preis unter deinem SL ausgeführt wird. Das kann durchaus schmerzlich werden!!! (z.B. wenn der nächste Kurs erst bei 0,9€ zustande kommt).
Also, Handelsvolumen sollte bei der Auswahl des Börsenplatzes immer mit beachtet werden!
Gruß Loki
Wenn du eine Aktie hast die am fallen ist, so wie FM und du hast in Frankfurt einen Kurs zu 1,2 € dann wirst du auch in Xetra keinen (kaum) besseren Preis dafür bekommen. Dass sich der Preis in Xetra nicht ändert kann daran liegen, dass zu wenig Handelsvolumen da ist und keine Käufer und Verkäufer zueinander finden. Deshalb kann es zum Problem werden wenn man große Pakete an wenig gehandelten Aktien kauft.
Wenn wie in deinem Fall auf Xetra sehr wenig gehandelt wird (was ich nicht überprüft habe!!!) kann es passieren, dass den SL zu dem erst besten Preis unter deinem SL ausgeführt wird. Das kann durchaus schmerzlich werden!!! (z.B. wenn der nächste Kurs erst bei 0,9€ zustande kommt).
Also, Handelsvolumen sollte bei der Auswahl des Börsenplatzes immer mit beachtet werden!
Gruß Loki
02.09.09 17:25
#716
MaxMusterman
@ die netten ...
menschen die mir schon geantwortet haben ... vielen dank die infos haben schonmal sehr geholfen ...
ich hab leider den fehlergemacht meinen sl von 1,35 mit nem datum zu versehen weil ich dachte das der sl bis zu dem datum läuft und nicht nur an dem datum (hab bei nem (anscheinend) unwissenden menschen im forum gelesen das datum aussagt das der sl bis zu dem datum läuft und nicht nur an dem datum ... naja jetzt ist der preis unter meinem sl und nun brauch ich auch nicht mehr verkaufen ... pech
dummer anfängerfehler aber nur so lern man dazu ;)
und schon habe ich wieder eine neue (dumme ? ) frage ... sry für die nerverrei ...
JaSager (post 712 ) hat den link zu dem artikel über die aufspalutung gepostet ... und schreibt das es für die aktionäre dann sehr schlecht aussieht .. was genau mein er (Du @ jasager) damit ? Werden wir "enteignet" bzw. werden die aktien wertlos sollte es so kommen ?
02.09.09 17:28
#717
Rico11
MaxMustermann
Die Aktien werden nicht wertlos und es wird auch niemand enteignet.
02.09.09 20:39
#718
tiger68
Rico11/ Max Mustermann
hab gerade auch ein bischen Schiss, da ich noch in vier anderen volatilen Teilen drin bin( fanny,Ambac,Mbia,CIT).
Hoffnungsschimmer sehe ich,daß AIG heute Abend ein wenig hochging, was hoffe ich die anderen auch mitzieht.
Danke Dir Rico11 für Deine Antwort heute mittag.
Max Mustermann ähnlich ist es mir vor einem Jahr gegangen, wir lernen alle dazu
Viele Grüße
;-)
02.09.09 20:51
#720
Rico11
Werde nicht mehr handeln.
Habe Meine Freddie heute noch einmal aufgestockt!
Diese Kurse kommen NIE wieder.
Vielleicht geht es noch etwas in Richtung Süden, aber den richtigen
Einstand trifft man niemals. Entspannt leben, geniessen und
auf Gewinne warten, macht Lust auf mehr.
Die News hinsichtlich Freddie und Fannie waren heute großartig.
Ich warte einfach jetzt auf Kurse von min. $10.
Diese Kurse kommen NIE wieder.
Vielleicht geht es noch etwas in Richtung Süden, aber den richtigen
Einstand trifft man niemals. Entspannt leben, geniessen und
auf Gewinne warten, macht Lust auf mehr.
Die News hinsichtlich Freddie und Fannie waren heute großartig.
Ich warte einfach jetzt auf Kurse von min. $10.
02.09.09 21:12
#722
garrison
kaufen und nachkaufein ist angesagt...
kaufen....
mehr muss man nicht sagen!!!
mehr muss man nicht sagen!!!
02.09.09 21:31
#723
globetrotter181
Privatisierung?
Könnt ihr mir mal nen Link geben, wo steht dass Fannie und Freddie weiterhin selbständig tätig sein werden.
Viel Glück an alle Investierten!!!!!
VLG
02.09.09 22:35
#724
MILORD1
Möglicherweise muß ich morgen wieder nachkaufen
Zumindest nachbörslich geht es aufwärts.
02.09.09 22:45
#725
MaxMusterman
ich hab
nen verkauf für 1.25 morgen angesetzt nun zweifel ich wieder ...